From: Wanna (Original Message) Sent: 11/12/2002 5:58 PM
What so ever is highly esteemed among men, is an abomination to God. Lk.16:15.
One of the most highly esteemed things among men today is that ‘rapture’ myth. Another error caused by not comparing Scripture with Scripture. No one Scripture stands along to be interpreted. It must be explained by another Scripture.
Matt.24:27-31—- read all these verses, I will not write it all to save space. v29—-Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (the 6th seal).
v30–And THEN shall appear the sigh of the son of man in heaven: and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the SON OF MAN coming in the CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY. These ‘clouds’ are the same ‘clouds’ mentioned in 1Thes. 4.
v31—And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Now, this seems to be what people refer to as the ‘rapture’. But, notice it plainly said this does not happen until AFTER the great tribulation.
1Cor. 15:49-56— Behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP : FOR THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, AND THE DEAD SHALL BE RAISED INCORRUPTIBLE, AND WE SHALL BE CHANGED.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
He said when the last trumpet (the 7th) sounds, the dead would be raised to incorruption. Then, sometime later, (doesn’t say how much later, just ‘and we shall be changed’). When??? At the seventh trumpet!!!
Take the time to read all the trumpets. See if this fits the rapture theory? Certainly not!! According to the false teaching, the church is taken off this earth and carried up (somewhere???) long before this 7th trumpet sounds. A lot of stuff takes place before that trumpet sounds. I know Revelation is not in chronological order, but I certainly believe when God gives events like this a number order, that he counts as we do. If he says there are 7 trumpets, it stands to reason that 1-6 would happen before 7.
1Thes.4:13-18—- For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD; and the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST. THEN we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: AND SO SHALL WE ever BE WITH THE Lord.
Now, once again the coming of the Lord and the resurrection is said to be at the time of that trumpet. He said the same thing in 1Cor.15. That the resurrection is at the last trump. Also, in both places, he shows that the dead in Christ rise before any changing or catching up of any saints. In Cor. he uses the word changed; in Thes. he says caught up with them. It means the same thing, The ‘change’ is the being caught up. It merely means being caught up into immortality. They are raised immortal. Then we are changed into immortal. That is what the catching up means. It does NOT mean carrying people off up into some other world.
The ‘clouds’ means that great crowd of raised saints. Cloud means a great multitude. Look it up, Cloud has more than one meaning just as the word ‘one’ does. This is what throws people. Not understanding which meaning is meant in a verse. We tend to hang to one meaning and forget all the others. The ‘air’ is right here where we are. The air represents Satan’s kingdom. He is called the ‘prince ‘ of the power of the ‘air’. Jesus was told , by God , in the Psm. to rule in the MIDST of thine enemies. That is what is meant here.
Paul said this is the Word of the Lord. So it has to be true. He said after we meet him in the ‘air’ so shall we ever be with the Lord; so, if you go sailing off into space to meet him, you would have to stay there from then on.
Rev.20:1-6— v3 —He cast Satan into the bottomless pit, and shut him up and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled; and after that he must be loosed a little season.
v4— And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them; and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had NOT WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, NEITHER HIM IMAGE, NEITHER HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS, OR IN THEIR HANDS; AND THEY LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS.
v5—But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priest of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Now, this plainly says that those in the first resurrection included those who had been beheaded and killed for not taking the mark of the beast and his image. They had not worshipped him. So, they had to have been here when that happened. So, according to the scripture in 1Thes. the dead are raised before any one is changed. So this proves it did not happen until after the beast has run his course.
Rev.11:15-18—The seventh trumpet sounds here. v15– The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
v18—And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the TIME OF THE DEAD, THAT THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Now this shows what the other scriptures in this study said; that the seventh trumpet beings the resurrection of the saints and the time of the nations becoming the kingdom of Christ. The time to reward the saints.
I really don’t see how it could need to be any plainer than that. I don’t see why I would have to say any of my own words to show you the truth of all this. It is too plain, in view of all these scriptures that there is no ‘rapture’, (carrying people off into the sky, before any real trouble hits). There is just no Scripture for such a teaching. Only a misunderstanding of ‘WORDS’.
I pray this will enlighten the minds of some of God’s people. If so, it will be worth the effort put into bringing you this message.
God bless you all