Who Is Who?
The Word of God teaches that there is but one God, the Father. Jesus is not God but the Son of God. There is only one that can be the Father. The scripture no where states that Jesus was God.
Why you all can not see this is beyond me? You take John 1:14 and destroy the meaning of it and you try to make it say something that the word does not say. The same thing with John 1:1 such as what Enkraw has done.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jesus is the Word. The Son of God is the Word. Christ is the Word ( Enkraw)
Would some one please show me 1 scripture that says that Jesus is the word or that the Son of God is the word or also that Christ is the word? He evens divides Jesus Christ here putting Jesus one place and Christ in the other. Can the body of Jesus Christ be divided? Certainly not.
1 Cor. 8:6 -But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, ( see he said there was one Lord with a small ord which means Jesus Christ and then he says beside that we have
4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all ( he is above all even Jesus Christ the Son Of God. Do you not remember where Jesus himself said my Father is greater than I. Jesus is the Son Of God not the supreme Almighty God. Jesus never said that he was God.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ( I hope you see the conjunction and there which means someone else than the only true God .
Romans 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
1 Cor 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. ( How could this be if he was the Father? Is Jesus going to deliver the kingdom up to himself and put down all rule and all authority and power.? If so who is going to have the rule and authority and power? Is he is going to pick it back up? If so why did he put it down? Would some one please explain this to me?
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: ( If Jesus is God which he is not tell me who is this God of out Lord Jesus Christ that is going to give unto you this spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him?
2 John1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. ( See by the word from there he is separating the Father from the son. Not the unity but he was showing that the Father is different from the son. He also said that Jesus Christ was the Son of the Father not the Father himself.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ( He said here is one God and one mediator, now how hard is it to add one + one and what do u get? A mediator is a go between two parties which happen to be Jesus, he is the only way man can get to the one God. Now if he is the mediator between man and God, would someone please tell me how he can be God? If Jesus Himself was God , as Trinitarians say, tell me how could he be a mediator ?
John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me( Okay, their law stated that it takes the testimony of two men to be true, so what did Jesus say? He said I bear witness of myself, ( one-man) and the Father that send me bear witness of me ( two). Again showing that the Father and Son are different but once again as I explained before not in the unity.)
The New Testament is full of scriptures stating that Jesus is the Son of God.
God is the God of Jesus. Jesus recognized the Father, the one true God, as His God. Jesus never claimed to be God Himself. There is no scripture saying this. If it is not written it is not true.
There is scripture proving that God was the God of Jesus.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Math. 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
We could produce many more scriptures where Jesus called the Father his God but space is limited and some of you will say this is to long. But there are scriptures in the Old Testament where Jesus is talking to God.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( see he said he went unto the Father which was greater than himself.
John10:30 I and my Father are one. . . ( Jesus was not stating that him and his Father was one here as the Trinitarians say and as the ONENESS people say. He referred to the unity such as was on the day of Pentecost where they were in one mind and one accord. Jesus prayed that this same unity would become a reality among his followers.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (see the plural word we there. If Jesus was God so are we because he said let them be one as we are one.)
Jesus lived as God’s servant. He yielded perfect obedience to His Father. He always did those things that pleased God. This showed that Jesus recognized God as greater than he.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. ( Jesus received his knowledge from God because he said here that his Father had taught him what to do. Now if this is so how could he be God as the Trinitarians say and the oneness people say? God knows all things, Jesus did not. Boy did I really hit a nail ? To show you this I have scripture to prove it? You ought to know by now that myself or joie does not say what we can not show in the word. Now here is proof.
Mark13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father( See that is the best way to prove anything is by the word and the word said that hour knoweth no man, not even the Son, but only the Father. If the Son was the Father which again he is not, how come Jesus did not knoweth the hour?
God is perfect in knowledge. Jesus had to increase in knowledge.
Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. . ( increase means that he began to grow in the wisdom and knowledge of God as we should. You know a lots of time we say we want to be like Jesus, well let your wisdom and stature increase and that is the way to find favor with God and man.
Jesus said that Son can do nothing of himself, he only does what the Father tells him to do and speaks the things the Father tells him to speak.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. .
5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( see all Jesus wanted done was the will of the Father. He did not seek his own will as you know he said in the garden not my will but thine will be done.
There is so much more that I could add to this but this probably is already to much for some of you and I doubt that some has not even got this far. Besides I have been here on this for about 3 hours and I am so tired that I do not know whether I can get out of this chair or not, but this is the truth and you need to increase in wisdom of who the Son of God is and who the Father is.
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Re：Who is Who
Date Posted：11/24/2014 2:36 AM
From: joie Sent: 7/24/2003 12:48 PM
LUKE 24:; 26. Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Now I have shown this many times. When will you read it?
This clearly proves that Jesus suffered FIRST before he ENTERED INTO HIS GLORY.
If you ENTER INTO SOMETHING, then you were not already there. Jesus was not in GLORY when he was walking around here on earth in a mortal, corruptible body. Paul said it is SOWN = (burried) in weakness, It is RAISED IN POWER = RESURRECTIONS.
THIS IS THE GLORY.
Paul said it is sown in DISHONOUR; IT IS RAISED IN GLORY. (1Cor. 15: 43.)
Now if you wish to say Jesus’ mortal, corruptible body which they burried is that GLORY, then go and tell Paul he LIED. HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
Am I not the one saying what the Word says? Sure I am. Nowhere is it said that the first man Adam, = (humanity) was GLORY AND POWER THIS SIDE OF THE RESURRECTION.
If it was, what need did we have of a Saviour?
Tell me that; if it already is glory and power, why need a resurrection?
The GLORY which the Word was made, which dwelt among us, which we beheld, and still behold by faith, is THE RESURRECTED CHRIST.
This is the same one who walked up to God on his Throne and TOOK THE BOOK OF LIFE OUT OF GOD’S HANDS AND NOW HOLDS OUR REDEMPTION IN HIS OWN HANDS, THIS IS THE GLORY, THIS IS THAT POWER, THIS IS THAT RESURRECTED CHRIST.
JESUS BORE THIS CHIRST, THIS PERFECT SON OF GOD. BY HIS PERFECT, SINLESS, OBEDIENT LIFE AND HIS RESURRECTION.
You have no concept what took place there. But here is what took place; (Scripture; not my words)
Luke 24: 46. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Now this verse proves yet more that Jesus SUFFERED before he was RAISED to power and glory.
39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Jesus said God is a Spirit. Here after his resurrection, he declares to them that he is NOT A SPIRIT; HE IS STILL FLESH AND BONES.
NOW THIS IS THE FLESH WHICH THE WORD WAS MADE. THIS GLORIFIED FLESH IS WHAT YOU SEE IN REV. 19 CALLED THE WORD OF GOD. NOT THAT WEAK, MORTAL FLESH WHICH MAN KILLED. THAT IS NO MORE.
NOW JESUS IS RAISED TO POWER AND LIFE, NOW TO RETURN NO MORE TO CORRUPTION. SO SAID THE MAN WITH THE KEYS, PETER. IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG, THEN GO TELL PETER HE LIED.
Matt. 28: 18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth
(Why did you not read verse 18 when you read 19?)
Jesus here, after his resurrection into his GLORY, told them, ALL POWER is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.
Get that? GIVEN TO ME. What? He is the eternal God, co-equal with God? and this power had to be GIVEN to him?
Explain. Also explain where the verse is which says Jesus, the second person in the God head is or was CO-EQUAL with God) I just never read that anywhere in the Book.
This GIVING OF THE POWER TO JESUS IS WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THAT THRONE ROOM WHEN THAT SLAIM LAMB WENT UP TO GOD SITIING ON HIS THRONE AND TOOK THAT BOOK INTO HIS OWN HANDS.
No, it is not as your carnal mind leads you to believe **** Jesus is NOT ANOTHER GOD; JESUS IS NOT IN COMPETITION WITH GOD.
Shows you have no concept of ONENESS. There is no competition; there is no jealousy; there is no conflict.
YES, NOW JESUS IS MY GOD; BUT ONLY BECAUSE HIS GOD SET IT THIS WAY. GOD THE FATHER SET HIS SON JESUS IN THE SAME PLACE OF POWER AND AUTHORITY AS
GOD HIMSELF HAS. JESUS IS NOW ONE WITH GOD. YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT THIS MEANS. ALL YOUR WORDS PROVE IT.