Desiring the crumbs that fell
This is a powerful message which I don’t think has ever been taught in its right light. You must learn what these words meant in the original language to come to see the real truth of this Rich Man message in Luke 16.
For instance that word FELL or fall.
We think of it as meaning the crumbs that the Rich man dropped as he ate. But no. It is not about that.
The meaning of this word, FALL, is what is blocking our understanding of this passage.
It is just like as in Genesis, everyone takes the word wrong where it said that Eve was created FOR Adam.
They ‘think’ this means she was a possession or plaything for Adam or just someone to help him do things. So far from the truth.
The real truth is that Adam had ALREADY strayed away from God, (Eze 28) and needed HER to help him get back to God. But he refused her or the help.
Another place where mistaking the true meaning of a word brings about false teaching is in Rev where it said the ‘locusts’ came out of the bottomless pit. It is truly speaking of the Servants of God, who obeyed the call to COME OUT OF HER. We came out of her. These crumbs FELL away from that old rich man who is law, Adam, church.
fell: (from strongs)… i. e. has been overthrown, destroyed,i. e. has been overthrown, destroyed,
equivalent to to be removed from power by death,
fail); to lose authority, no longer have force, of sayings, precepts, etc
to fall down, fall in ruin: of buildings, walls, etc.,
equivalent to shall perish, be lost, equivalent to shall perish, be lost,
so, Lazarus wanted to see that OT Law FALL, come to an end. He desired to see the fall of the OT. This is why he was saved, or in Abraham’s bosom, FAR OFF. See, those crumbs that He desired is the food that was away from that old rich man. This rich man’s food was destroyed by Jesus at Calvary.
Acts 2, the promise is to you and all who are AFAR OFF. this rich man, or that OT law system or tabernacle, (the purple and fine linen), SAW the ones who longed to see the fall of that Law, afar oFF. SO, this Lazerous wanted the crumbs coming from that thing far off = the Holy Ghost .
He received this and that is why he was now comforted.
The ones who stayed in that old law system after Jesus nailed it to his cross, (those prosecuting the Christians), were now in torment, having died the death and was buried. Jesus killed that old way and buried it. They were now tormented while the NT Christians who received the ‘crumbs’ that FELL or lost their power, are now comforted by the Holy Ghost.
p.s. these meanings are copied from a strongs’ concordance.
after (1), against (4), ago (2), alike* (1), among (2), away (3), away* (1), because (9), before* (1), belonged (1), deserting* (1), distance (1), hereafter* (1), initiative (1), left (1), off (1), once* (1), since (11), since* (3), some (1), way (1).
so, the crumbs fell AGAINST that Old law system….. surely means the Lazarus was desiring the NT grace.
He wanted what Jesus, Peter and Paul could feed him. such glory.
- of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed;
(wow, when you look up the words in Strongs, the meaning is totally different and clear from what you normally would think. Hence you can now get the real intended meaning or truth.
Jesus said a rich man can hardly enter into heaven.
Fared = (aw ha, here we go)… from strongs: Definition
to gladden, make joyful
to be glad, to be merry, to rejoice
to rejoice in, be delighted with a thing
King James Word Usage – Total: 14
rejoice 6, be merry 3, make merry 3, fare 1, make glad 1
So, it is tied totally with the XMESS HOLIDAYS…. = making merry = celebrating the death of God’s two witnesses = done by LAW. what a glorious revelation!
of sumptuous living
So, this solidly ties it with the all-out sumptuous decorations and gift giving with xmess and other holidays. This thing then is locked up with law/holidays = satan worship.
20 and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores.
This ‘beggar’ is an element of that ‘rich’ man, which broke away from that law system and began to see the truth of Grace of the NT means of salvation. So, this ‘beggar’ began desiring those ‘crumbs’ or messages of the apostles, that FELL AWAY FROM THAT OLD TABLE OF LAW.
This Lazarus or those who saw the truth coming from Jesus began reaching out for those crumbs that fell away from that old table and they wanted to eat this glorious truth. They were full of ‘sores’ due to having been chained up under that old law.
Lazarus = “whom God helps” (a form of the Hebrew name Eleazar)
an inhabitant of Bethany, beloved by Christ and raised from the dead by him
. a very poor and wretched person to whom Jesus referred to in Luke 16:20-25
Glory. proof of this interpretation: “whom God helps”. Also one that Jesus raised from the dead. So he came to LIFE due to that water. Yes, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Though you were DEAD, yet shall you live. They passed from DEATH TO LIFE, due to that water. Give me a drink of that LIVING WATER that I thirst no more nor COME HERE (TO LAW) TO DRAW ANY MORE..
a large gate: of a palace
the front part of a house, into which one enters through the gate, porch
Jesus said wide is the gate to hell. The ‘front or first’ part is LAW. SO this gate is that old LAW, which leads to hell. The beggar, now longing for the truth, is laid or cast down at the gate of that old law or rich man. He is longing to get free and find that living water.
21 and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
to turn upon a thing
to have a desire for, long for, to desire
to lust after, covet
of those who seek things forbidden
So, this beggar, or those who no longer wish to be at that wide gate or now longing for those ‘crumbs’ which FELL AWAY from that vomit table.
to feed with herbs, grass, hay, to fill, satisfy with food, to fatten
to fill or satisfy men
to fulfil or satisfy the desire of any one
So, Lazarus is now longing for the food that fills or satisfies the soul. He is longing for the Holy Ghost. He is longing for the TRUTH OF GOD’S WORD since this is the only thing that can satisfy the soul and fill one so they hunger no more.
So now that these Lazaruses or beggars have learned about this living WATER and this soul-satisfying food that fell away from that table of vomit or law, the DOGS came around trying to keep this person from dying to self and leaving the money-tables.
metaph. a man of impure mind, an impudent man
See, it is all those paid pastors and evangelists, priests, etc. who deny the truth of Jesus, or the Living Water, and the true plan of salvation taught in the Book of Acts, who come around ‘licking’ those sores and trying to keep this person from leaving those money-tables of vomit and becoming set free.
Those sores show the state of the man while under that death-tree, law. But those ‘dogs’ love that pus so they come and lick it to keep the man deceived and use him as their servant or to get his money. These money-lovers see that if the Lazarus gets into this freedom, this living water, this Grace, they will lose a paying servant, so they try to hang onto him as long as they can.
They do not want this person to DIE. … meaning to get baptized in water, into the DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST, then to be raised to walk in newness of LIFE, APART FROM THAT DEATH OF LAW.
Remember that Job shows both these states. His first state was under law. He offered those animal sacrifices for sins, which God hates. He then lost all those law children, and became full of those SORES.
Next, he met God and was healed and had more children. This is the grace movement.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
‘came to pass’
to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
of men appearing in public
to be made, finished
of miracles, to be performed, wrought
to become, be made
It came into existence that they could not stop the beggars. They went on to know the Lord. They went on into that WATER, was baptized into that DEATH of Jesus Christ, which is death to the old man, staggering under LAW. He rose up on that stage of new life. Miracles made.
At the time of this ‘DEATH’ of his ‘old man’ of law or sins, he was carried by angels into ABRAHAM’S BOSOM. Now what is this? Abraham was the Father of the RIGHTEOUS. So this proves this man left that old law pot of vomit and became alive to Jesus Christ or became RIGHTEOUS. Praise God. Never saw this before till right now. God just gave this to me. Never had any idea before what this ‘Abraham’s bosom’ was. See, always thinking about it as a place where the departed from this life go. Not so. It is not dealing with that at all. This passage is not about natural death. This is why carnal minds will never, never understand the Scripture. They will always eat the dust. Serpents take the natural or carnal interpretation every time and have no idea what the MEAT OF THE WORD IS.
This message is the MEAT OF THE WORD OF GOD.
The rich man died also. It is not speaking of natural death. It is saying he actually finally did as Simon in Acts 8. He believed, and was baptized. He wanted that dip. dip that tip of that finger and give me one drop of water. But now don’t go making me receive that baptism Of Holy Ghost. Don’t make me have to speak in TONGUES. Just cool it a bit. So he was buried; (baptized)… (if you would read the word of God enough, you could learn these words and know what they mean… buried = death and baptism; not natural death or burial, but spiritual).
Now for the being in torment:
name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
later use of this word: the grave, death, hell
The church has made hell to be the final place for sinners, the lake of fire so much that truth has been hidden. (Never did make sense to me that hell gives up its dead then they are judged and then sent to that lake of fire; makes no sense at all; but when you learn the real truth, it is heavenly clear).
But here is a Strongs meaning for this word, hell.
- a god of the lower regions. Realm of the dead…..Jesus said you are DEAD in trespasses and sins. See? Get to Scripture for your truth. This rich man finally saw that his old way of OT Law was not working any longer, so he consented a bit. He saw a compromise available to all who wanted religion without the stigma that goes with the ones who go all the way. He got baptized just as old Simon did. But his heart was not right with God.
He said, send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in WATER and cool my tongue for I am in this torment of having to do something a bit different here to still hope to have life afterwards. So just let me say I believe and I will even get dipped.
In order to make good pickles, there is a word, baptizo….means to just dip it in boiling water, quickly take it out. Then you baptize it by placing it into the vinegar to STAY. It take two movings, water baptism and Holy Ghost baptism. The rich man, or church, will accept that first dip but want no part of that second requirement. . hence, just COOL my tongue a tiny bit….cool this torment. They must still have that god of the lower regions = xmess, santa claus, easter bunnies and especially that HALLOWEEN. We just gotta have all of that, but want a tiny bit of religion.
See, the LIFE-CHANGING baptism of that of the Holy Ghost, which places you into the body of Christ and makes you completely DIFFERENT from your old self. You must then become a NEW CREATION in Christ Jesus, hating those old sins. Just getting water baptized will not make this total change if you stop there. It is like dipping a cucumber into hot water but never placing it into the preserving and changing VINEGAR.
Blanching it, or putting it into that boiling water only GETS IT READY for the vinegar and preservation. That is what the water baptism does…. gets you ready for the Holy Ghost baptism which is the life-changing event. For those who never truly REPENT and go on to the baptism of the Holy Ghost are not made into a new creature, hence they admit to still being a SINNER. Therefore they are never set free from their sins and are not headed to eternal LIFE. You still only have a cucumber; not a pickle. Therefore, there is no ETERNAL SECURITY as those dogs tell you. Making this first step is not going to give you eternal security for you stopped SHORT of actually receiving SALVATION. So the rich man is still in torment.
Now for a shocker and the hidden deep truth here:
a touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal
the rack or instrument of torture by which one is forced to divulge the truth
torture, torment, acute pains
of the pains of a disease
of those in hell after death
Look at this.
- A black stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by rubbing it onto the stone. Now that is what this torment is here. It is not being in the lake of fire after natural death. This man is still alive, desiring to play religion. But when his ‘gold or silver’ is rubbed onto that testing stone, Jesus Christ, it comes up SHORT. It will not make a good gold or silver mark. It will test out bad. It will come up lacking. It is weighed in the balance and found WANTING. They love that god of the holidays too much to be totally baptized into Christ Jesus. Just get baptized into a church. God never said do that. He said get baptized into Jesus Christ.
Yet those snakes, or dogs, will come and lick those sores and say, get baptized into our church; join our church. Holy Ghost speaking in TONGUES is of the devil. Go decorate that tree and hide those eggs and worship that queen of heaven. See? dip that tip and give me a drop. Will not do. Does not make good pickles. Must baptize them into that vinegar and STAY THERE. WHEN YOU RUB THAT PIECE OF GOLD ONTO THAT TESTING STONE IT BETTER MAKE A GOOD GOLD MARK.
(wow), God just now gave me this as I read this back again: On the cross they offered Jesus VINEGAR to drink when he said, I thirst. It is revealing that Jesus had taken the full bitter cup to come into eternal life. Drink that VINEGAR. It is the preserver.
This rich man, the Adam spirit in all religious folks who refuse to go with God all the way, this rich man sees that the Lazarus has broken away and gotten to the good crumbs that fell AWAY, or afar off from that rich man’s table of vomit. He sees that this Lazarus has changed completely. He is no longer the same old man he used to be. He is a new creature in Christ Jesus. Lazarus is no longer laying at the Rich Man’s gate. So the rich man tries something.
He tries to get Jesus, (Abraham) to compromise a bit. Send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. Let me just get baptized into the church. Just let me go by your name but I will still do things my way. I am not going to give up my santa claus.
Let me say, I go to church. I am a christian but I do not speak in TONGUES. That is not for me. I am in love with xmess.
But now I will go to church. Just give me a dip. Do not ask me to be baptized in any Holy Ghost. Just a tip of water will do. We pretend this water has nothing to do with salvation so I will go along with this. Just a tip will do.
to dip, dip in, immerse
to dip into dye, to dye, colour
Not to be confused with 907, baptizo. The clearest example that showsthe meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physicianNicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making picklesand is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that inorder to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be ‘dipped'(bapto) into boiling water and then ‘baptised’ (baptizo) in thevinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in asolution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.
See the meaning of dip here? It means to just give it a tiny bit of that water. Do not stay there in it. Just a dip. No becoming a new creature in Christ Jesus. No hating the old things. We will not change our ways, but we want the name of being a christian.
This rich man’s cry for mercy is the same as Esau when he sought a place of repentance, even with tears, but could not find it. See, they tried to do it their way and not God’s way. God will never accept it. You can say you got in another way, without going to Acts 2, but it will never work. When they asked Peter how to be saved, he did not say just believe and ask forgiveness. He did not say that is the way to be saved. He did not say, join a church and attend it faithfully.
You must come the very same way they did in the book of Acts, or you are doing as this rich man,,,,, trying to do it another way….. just give me that dip of the tip.
Now I want you to notice something here about how this rich man is trying to get a little mercy or get God to overlook his sins. I know you all will think that because he said he is tormented in flames that this means the man actually died and went to hell as we always thought. but that is not what is meant here. it is totally spiritual. He is calling it flames because he is being convicted of his sins and does not want to go to hell but he does not want to give up his sins either, so he is in torment seeking another way of salvation, other than God’s way of total change. Becoming a new creature, hating the sin and loving good.
So what does he do? (Remember this is everyone who does not come in the Acts 2 and 10 way)…. He seeks to get his religion from another MAN…. SEE? my pastor said I can do it this way. My priest said this or that. My prophet tells it to me. Not God. Not Scripture. See? I can do it another way. Just get that pastor to dip the tip of his finger…..just give me one verse so I can pretend I am a christian and I can still have all the women I want for my prophet said so.
So he seeks to have his tongue COOLED OFF. The love of many shall wax cold. God will not take the cold to heaven. the lukewarm. the cooled off folks are missing it completely.
the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech
the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations
The TONGUE he wants cooled off is not the physical tongue. It is that next meaning…. the language. He is seeking to get around having to SPEAK IN TONGUES WHEN THE HOLY GHOST COMES IN. (Now faking tongues is not going to get you in either. There is a group who practice and teach faking tongues. They are worse than those who flat deny it.)
So they pretend that is of the devil and there is actually nothing to the Holy Ghost coming in. It just comes without any emotion or action, when you say, I believe. Nothing to it. See, cooled off….way off….by that dog licking that sore.
Oh sure. all those rich men out there already prepared the zillions of deceived folks into thinking such a teaching as this is of the devil. So you will feel secure in your dead religion that you got by that dip. But when you stand at the judgment of God, you will be denied entrance into HIS Kingdom. God will say, ‘run back to your santa claus or your easter bunny and get your help or salvation’. Yes, God will then MOCK YOU. He said so.
to cause intense pain
to be in anguish, be tormented
to torment or distress one’s self
The third definition is used here. He is distressing himself not wanting to go the route that Lazarus did. Lazarus repented, got water baptized then HOLY GHOST baptized. He went all the way and died to self. but this rich man has no intention of dying to self. He is seeking another way.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
This is showing that during the law times and church times, that life, they received good things but in the end as truth came to light, they became tormented by the idea that they might have to do something more than just say I believe. Their torment will never end for they refuse to repent and come in God’s way. They simply must always have their heathen holidays, which is worship to idols.
But now Lazarus got away from that wide Gate and took the crumbs that had FALLEN AWAY FROM THAT OLD LAW/CHURCH SYSTEM. He has the comforter, the HOLY GHOST. He accepted the NT plan of salvation, not some old dead church thing of just saying I believe.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
He is told now that God’s word fixed it so they cannot come in by their own devices, no matter who says so. God said you must come my way or none. God does not altar his plan or demands just because someone did not like it. Just because you listened to a lying preacher saying all you must do is say you believe and ask forgiveness, is not going to get you into eternal life, for God fixed it so you cannot cross his plan. You must obey God to make it. That is the great gulf. You cannot cross into eternal life the law way or the church way. Those who did go God’s way will not come back to you.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: 28 for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
This rich man had ‘five’ brethren and he knew they were not going by this total baptism thing either. So once he heard it is a must he said, send Lazarus, or someone who has the Holy Ghost to tell those FIVE FOOLISH VIRGINS. Tell them to listen and not get into this torment I am now in. Those foolish virgins have not yet gotten to this place of tormenting his own soul with this knowledge that my way is not going to work.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
See, he did not want to have to read the Word of God and go by that. Abraham told him to read the word. They have Moses and the prophets. It means they are still going by that old LAW SYSTEM SAME AS CHURCH AND REFUSE TO COME INTO GRACE OR THE NT WAY OF SALVATION. Moses and the prophets told about Jesus. The rich man will not hear them so coming to a risen person will not work either. They have no hope of salvation.
They still want that old law stuff. They still want their xmess. They still want their adultery. They refuse the Holy living required by the NT salvation. Next he tries to get someone to tell them about the risen Jesus or send one of those who have died to self to tell those xmess lovers they must come in the Holy and obedient way. But Abraham refused this request also for the rich man is seeking some way other than God’s way: repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and be filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
But they said No, we will do it our way. We will go back into Egypt. We will flee on horses. We will not obey the voice of God. We are not going to live a sanctified life. We are not, no, we only want a dip of a tip.
By: Jo Smith…. March 25, 2019