From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 8/24/2004 10:03 PM
My Father and I
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( see he said he went unto the Father which was greater than himself.
John10:30 I and my Father are one. . ( Jesus was not stating that him and his Father was one here as the Trinitarians say and as the ONENESS people say. He referred to the unity such as was on the day of Pentecost where they were in one mind and one accord. Jesus prayed that this same unity would become a reality among his followers.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (see the plural word we there. If Jesus was God so are we because he said let them be one as we are one.)
Jesus lived as God’s servant. He yielded perfect obedience to His Father. He always did those things that pleased God. This showed that Jesus recognized God as greater than he.
John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
( Jesus received his knowledge from God because he said here that his Father had taught him what to do. Now if this is so how could he be God as the Trinitarians say and the oneness people say? God knows all things, Jesus did not. Boy did I really hit a nail ? To show you this I have scripture to prove it? You ought to know by now that myself or joie does not say what we can not show in the word. Now here is proof.
Mark13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father( See that is the best way to prove anything is by the word and the word said that hour knoweth no man, not even the Son, but only the Father. If the Son was the Father which again he is not, how come Jesus did not knoweth the hour?
God is perfect in knowledge. Jesus had to increase in knowledge.
Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. ” ( increase means that he began to grow in the wisdom and knowledge of God as we should. You know a lots of time we say we want to be like Jesus, well let your wisdom and stature increase and that is the way to find favor with God and man.
Jesus said that Son can do nothing of himself, he only does what the Father tells him to do and speaks the things the Father tells him to speak.
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. “
5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( see all Jesus wanted done was the will of the Father. He did not seek his own will as you know he said in the garden not my will but thine will be done.
There is so much more that I could add to this but this probably is already to much for some of you and I doubt that some has not even got this far. Besides I have been here on this for about 3 hours and I am so tired that I do not know whether I can get out of this chair or not, but this is the truth and you need to increase in wisdom of who the Son of God is and who the Father is.
Luke 10: 21. In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, LORD of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
- All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
- And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
- For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
How I thank My God for this glorious and truthful message! This is food for my soul. This is truth. This is Manna from Heaven.
Blessed are the eyes which see the things you see; and blessed are the ears which hear what you hear. Blessed of God are you and I.
We see and hear the truth. This is something almost no one has.
If a person can read this message and still cling to the lies of Rome, they are just doing despite to the Spirit of Truth and rejecting, willfully, all that God teaches. I truly believe a person would have to willfully CHOOSE lies to refuse to see this which is so clearly taught and PROVEN BY WRITTEN WORD HERE.
The above was by Larry [Isaiah]. The following is by Jo Smith:
It is as I have said so many times, we PROVE EVERY WORD WE SAY BY THE WRITTEN WORD. The Trinitarians and the Jesus onlies cannot prove a thing they say with WRITTEN WORD. They just hurl things at us which has been handed down to them from their ‘fathers’. They have not sought to prove a thing as God said to do.
They KNOW THEY Could not prove what they say with Scripture; so they bring up false teachers’ sayings. That is all the foundation they can find. Rotten Wood!
That is why so many come here to this group, stay a while, read our true messages; and then leave. They cannot take real truth; for it crosses their grain and the lies of their fathers. They are rejecting God when they reject the Word. Did not he say the Word was God? sure he did. It is the Father’s own words; so it is him. My words are me; they are my thoughts. So it is with God.
They are accusing Jesus of a lie, they are accusing Jesus of claiming to be God. Jesus did no such thing! This is the sin of Adam, not Jesus.
Now read verse 21 above –Jesus is thanking His Father that he hid these things from those who think they are wise and has revealed them to babes. We are his babes.
Now read v.22 (this is powerful)– Jesus said his Father had delivered all things to him (see proof of my message on the transference of power — that the Father put all things into Jesus’ hands and lifted him up to the status of being our God?)
But look at his next words…..No man knows who the Father is– except those to whom the Son reveals him. And no man knows who the Son is.
See? Only those to whom the Son gives this revelation to knows, KNOWS who the Father or the Son is.
Now I can assure all of you, the Trinitarians and the Jesus only people DID NOT GET ANY REVELATION FROM JESUS SAYING WHAT ANY OF YOU SAY.
IF YOU SAY YOU DID, SHOW US THE SCRIPTURE JESUS REVEALED IT TO YOU FROM. HE ONLY GIVES REVELATION FROM THE WORD.
HE SAYS ONLY WHAT HIS FATHER SAYS; AND HIS WORD IS THE WORD. THIS IS GOD. THE WORD. YOU CANNOT PROVE A THING UNLESS THE WORD SAYS IT.
All any of you have is tradition handed down to you from someone else; not a revelation from Jesus.
If you had the revelation from Jesus, you would say the same thing he said. He said My Father is greater than I. I say only what my Father tells me to say.
Where can any of you make this statement? You cannot, and you know it.
So it proves you JUST DO NOT WANT TRUTH.
You accuse Isaiah and me of twisting the Word. I do not see one word in this message that was not quoted exactly from the Word. If you can find one place where he ( Isaiah) ‘twisted’ any Scripture,
BRING IT FORTH. SHOW IT. REVEAL IT.
All of you accuse us of twisting Scripture, yet you do not bring forth on Word which matches the Word.
By Jo Smith