From: joie (Original Message) Sent: 11/13/2003 12:44 AM
Jer. 17 : 21. Thus saith the Lord; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem;
- Neither carry forth a burden out of your houses on the sabbath day, neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers.
- But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.
- And it shall come to pass, if ye diligently hearken unto me, saith the Lord, to bring in no burden through the gates of this city on the sabbath day, but hallow the sabbath day, to do no work therein;
Now here is a prophet saying the same thing: bear (carry) no burden on the sabbath day — do not carry a thing out of your houses on this day; take no burden through the gates of your city.
Now how many of you are very careful NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING IN OR OUT OF YOUR HOUSE ON SAT?
DO YOU REALLY KEEP THIS DAY HOLY?
YOU HAD BETTER TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.
I TRULY DO NOT BELIEVE ANY OF YOU TAKE IT SERIOUS. I TRULY DO NOT BEIEVE ANY OF YOU THINK YOU MUST DO ANY OF THIS – THEN HOW ARE YOU KEEPING THE DAY HOLY?
YOU MUST OBEY— you must obey the word— you must keep it right according to the word. God will not hold you guiltless if you say you keep it and do not obey how he said to do it.
Isa, 58: 13. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Now this one tells you that you must not find your own pleasure on the Sabbath, NOR SPEAK YOUR OWN WORDS ON THIS DAY.
AND ON TOP OF ALL THIS, CALL THIS A DELIGHT — SEE YOU MUST ENJOY DOING ALL OF THIS STUFF.
Now I am going to tell you something – you kick the Pharisees for what they were doing – trying to make people keep this day right – well they were doing exactly what Nehemiah was doing – trying to make them keep it right so God would not destroy them. And if you think you need to do this, you had BETTER DO THE SAME THING. (better quit going fishing (your own pleasure) on sat.)
But go, with an open mind, and read all of this, then read how Jesus battled those people all the way trying to get it going another way.
Those Pharisees were only trying to keep them from breaking the Sabbath to keep the wrath of God off them; but Jesus did right the opposite.
Maybe you better study this. And also see what a lot of work I have gone to to help you all learn how to keep it right to keep God’s wrath off you. You really should appreciate me.
Your church causes you to break it while deceiving you into thinking they helped you keep it.
How can you go to church?
You are not supposed to go out of your house; you can only travel a short distance.
You cannot carry any ‘burden’ (means anything out of your house– not even your Bible. nor your pocket book. Do you take these things to church? then you are breaking the day and are guilty of breaking the whole law. You will go to hell.
Now you adventist claim all of this was the way the Pharisees said do this thing of keeping the 7th day Sabbath, therefore you are not bound to keep it this way.
So I say go find Scripture and prove that this came through the Pharisees.
Then why is it written way back there in Jer?
this is not from the Pharisees. it is a command given by Almighty God.
If you must keep any Sabbath, then you must keep it the way He said. This is part of His law concerning how to do this thing.
So I am still asking you adventist to tell us how you do it — how are we to do it? What laws do we go by?
You have told us zillions of time we must keep this day, but then when we try to find out HOW to obey and keep it, none of you will tell us.
Tell us how you keep it. Or be quiet about it.