From: joie (Original Message)Sent: 7/16/2003 11:17 PM
There is more to being born again than just having faith in this life. That is a measure of being born of God; but it is not complete until the day of the resurrection. Now just read these Scriptures for proof of this.
John005:024:–Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
005:025 :–Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
005:026:–For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; 005:027:– And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
005:028:—Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 005:029 :-And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Now, notice verses 24-27– here Jesus said if we hear his word and believe, we pass from death unto life— but this is speaking of being dead in trespasses and sin; then being given the new spirit life here. This is one step in being born of God. We have that in this life. But, if you call that being born again, then you cannot sin, and you could never be lost. Now, most church people think this is what is meant here. But there are too many Scriptures saying that after you have made this start with God, you can sin and loose out with God. All of Jesus’ parables teach this. The foolish virgins had at one time been with a light; they had at one time had the word; but they went away into sin. Jesus told them to depart into destruction.
Now look at v.25–Jesus said the hour is coming and now is, when the ‘dead’ (meaning those dead in sins)–shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
This is our coming to Jesus now. In this is a ‘measure’ of life from God; but it is not complete yet.
Then v 28—Here is your proof: Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming (see, another time)—in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth: they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Now, this is TWO times of being given LIFE. See, this is TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF LIFE. The first is spirit life here; to live godly in this present world. That is what you see in the Word as being born of God. BUT– if you go away from that and willfully sin, you will lose this and be lost. So, it is not the complete new birth. He that endureth until the end shall be saved. This is a future tense verb.
So is this: John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power TO BECOME the sons of God, — this is future tense. It is an ‘on-going thing— to become’.
John 003:005:– Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
003:006:– That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 003:007 :Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
003:008:– The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Here Jesus is speaking of your ‘spirit’ being born; that is what you receive in this life–spirit life. But it is not the new birth; it is a birth of the spirit; — just read on and you will see how this is.
1Peter:001:021:– Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
001:022:– Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 001:023:–Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Now see that v23 said — BEING born again—it is an on-going thing. See that he said you purified your souls in obeying the truth— this is the part of the ‘born of God’ we have in this life.
In the natural, a child is first ‘begotten’ in the womb: now that child is a person at this time; he has a ‘life’; but it is not complete yet; he yet has to be born a full person. Well, it is the same in the spirit life. You are first begotten of God; this is when you pass from being dead in sins to having new life in Christ; this is your souls being purified; but it is not complete yet. You are spiritually ‘in the womb’. It can be aborted.
Eph.001:011:– In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 001:012:– That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
001:013 :–In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
001:014:Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Now, just look at this Scripture: v12–you FIRST trusted in Christ— that is step one.
You trusted AFTER ye heard the truth–
then–AFTER you believed —- Then you were sealed with the Holy Spirit— which is an earnest — keeping you— UNTIL the redemption of the purchased possession— now see that the redemption is not yet?
004:030 :And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
See, here again it said you were sealed UNTIL the day of redemption— proving that this redemption is at another time.
Luke 21:28–And when these things begin to come to pass, THEN look up, and lift up your heads; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH.
Now, this shows that the redemption was only now drawing near; it had not come yet.
Now, to prove this is to Christians: Romans 8:23–And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY.
Now analyze this: Paul said they who had the firstfruits of the Spirit— this is those we saw in John 3 who were born of the spirit— see had been given ‘spirit’ life–Paul included himself in this group— BUT he said we are WAITING for something else—- the REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY.
See, then that redemption is NOT complete until we are resurrected into immortality.
Hosea 013:013 :–The sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him: he is an unwise son; for he should not stay long in the place of the breaking forth of children.
013:014:– I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.
Now, this shows a woman in childbirth — meaning the child is not yet born. Where is the place of the breaking forth of children?
I once read this Scripture, years and years ago— I read verse 13— stopped and looked up; without reading the next verse— I asked God, “Where is the place of the breaking forth of children”? God said right back to me, It is coming out of the grave.
Then I looked back down at the next verse- 14– and it said, I will ransom them from the grave; I will REDEEM them.
That is how I first came into this understanding. This is the truth; I lie not.
Now, for some Scriptures showing the difference in the spirit life we have now; and the born again life we will inherit at the resurrection to immortality:
1John 003:009 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 003:010:– In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Now, this says if you are born of God you do not commit sin; cannot sin. Agreed? Do you believe you are born of God? If so do you also believe that you cannot sin?
Then this would contradict where he said IF we sin, we have an advocate. See, it is a difference in the being ‘born’.
v14–We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren.
Now, I ask you, do you believe that you already have a kind of life that you will never die? Some people are so foolish they believe this. But God said it is appointed to us all to die once.
So, if this means you are already born again, and already have the life from which you will never die, then this means you cannot die. Then, why do Christians still die?
See, this having passed from death unto life, is that first move of Jesus in our lives that we started out with in John 5— you were given a life of new spirit life to live Holy here, you passed from being dead in sins– this is a type of new birth; but not the completion of it in coming out with a glorified body like unto His glorious body. People until you do that, you are not born again. You are only born of God into spirit life here; but if you believe this is all there is to it, then you have to agree that one cannot go back into sin and be lost.
You must also believe that you CANNOT sin. There are just too many Scriptures showing and proving that one can go this far with God and then be lost.
It is eternally dangerous to believe otherwise. But if you had already been born again, you could not sin and be lost.
1John 5:18– (another verse saying this)—We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not: but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
There is more than one redemption. Gal. 4: 4–God sent forth his Son…made under the law,
v5–To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
This is where God brought those under the law into grace so they could be adopted as sons of God. This is done in this life. We are now sons of God; but it doth NOT yet appear WHAT we SHALL be; but when he appeareth, we shall be like him .—~ see? Another CHANGE.